• camping was: bbsing

    From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Mon May 4 17:54:02 2015
    Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 01-May-2015 09:34 <=-

    Continuing... the last was getting too long... <G>

    We get that, too... nothing but rain in the forecast, but look out the
    window and there's sun and maybe some clouds... ;)
    Heh. It's been a lot nicer around here lately. Got a nice trip to
    the river beach planned here for this weekend, if all works out. I
    want my son and I to be outside for awhile, but nothing quite so stressful as this last campout. More of just a day to be a beach bum, maybe cook some hotfrogs, throw some recreational spheres around, all
    of that jazz. ;)

    That sounds like fun... did you get to, and did he enjoy it...?

    Sounds perfect. :) Most of our large parks are outside the city limits,
    but it's not that large a city anyway... and there's lots of woodland
    and green space around... :)
    I definitely miss a less urban setting right now. Hopefully this contract work helps me fill the coffers soon enough here that I can
    save my kittie's life and then get ready to relocate to an area where he'll have more kids around, more space to play, and not quite so many yuppies packed in like sardines. :) Not that I mind them in the slightest, hell I aspire to be one, though the 'y' part might not apply to me any more. The lack of kids, though, and the fact that kids wandering to the park alone in this area are subject to sheltered dipshits calling them in to the cops, leaves quite a bit to be desired. Didn't really forsee that in the cards when I moved here.

    Something one just can't see ahead of time... and sometimes one just
    doesn't have a lot of choice in circumstances until things get more
    under control... Hopefully you'll be able to find a better location for
    your and your son's needs and wellbeing... :)

    So, did you do your camping trip, yet...? I sure hear you on the cabin
    fever part, certainly is the season when it really is time to get back
    out and doing again... :)
    Sure did. It was a lot more stressful than it could've been, due to
    some issues with other people's children on the way, but all in all it was a good experience, and I'd still call it a net positive.

    That's a shame... so the stress was mostly just on the way there...?
    and relieved by the camping itself...?

    I need to
    get some of the pictures off of my phone and up onto a site somewhere where I can share them, no doubt. It was absolutely beautiful setting, although I'll admit I was haunted that night trying to sleep due to proximity to Mt. St. Helens and the subsurface geology of the area. ;)

    Sounds like you just have to learn not to let your imagination run away
    with you... <G> Or move to someplace where the danger is less (or you
    don't know about the dangers [g])...

    As far as I could tell, this was the first reply to this... ;) I did go
    back and check my saved messages, to be sure... and to make sure that I
    hadn't answered it back already... ;) I think part of it is that we
    are having similar threads in three different echoes at the moment.. ;)
    It's nice to have an archivist in the threads. ;) That's on my
    list of things to do, also... Time is such a horribly limiting
    quantity, though. I suspect that you are very much right in the bit about the similar threads. Perhaps at some point I'll go through and consolidate here. That may well fall back onto the 'load-shedding
    pile', as my roommate so aptly puts it, though. ;)

    It doesn't hurt to have similar threads happening in different echoes... there's at least a potential that way of engaging different people in
    the conversation(s)... eg Maurice is here and in Asian_Link, but not in Memories... and some are only in Memories... :)

    I made a habit a long time ago of saving messages to and from me (and a
    few others, on occasion) for any echo I was active in. It just makes
    finding the information a little easier. :) I also save my Reply
    packets, just in case I need to re-send something... that saved me a
    number of times when I'd written out an involved genealogy message... no re-typing needed, just an extract and insert into a new message. :)

    ttyl neb

    ... OK I'm weird! But I'm saving up to be eccentric...

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  • From Damon A. Getsman@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Wed May 6 09:08:02 2015
    Re: camping was: bbsing
    By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Mon May 04 2015 17:46:32

    stressful as this last campout. More of just a day to be a beach
    bum, maybe cook some hotfrogs, throw some recreational spheres
    around, all of that jazz. ;)
    That sounds like fun... did you get to, and did he enjoy it...?

    Alas, plans got pre-empted last weekend. Not sure if we'll get a chance to try again this weekend. I'd like to do something nice for him, because there was a carnival around that we were going to try to hit early this week, and that fell through, too. At least he didn't know about it; I learned from a fellow parent friend not so long ago to not really inform the little guy about what may be planned until it's actually going down, just in case something like
    that comes up. Saves on the shattered dreams for the day kind of scenerios.
    A few fires got set on the contract work that I was doing that made keeping up with the beach bumming impossible. I ended up having to do a work crunch on
    Sunday that blew it out of the water. Should've tried harder to get out on Saturday, I suppose, but I was busy catching up on chores most of that day. Anyhoo, it will definitely be happening soon here.

    Something one just can't see ahead of time... and sometimes one just doesn't have a lot of choice in circumstances until things get more
    under control... Hopefully you'll be able to find a better location for your and your son's needs and wellbeing... :)

    Well, with the hours cap on my contract just having been quadrupled, it looks
    like I'll be able to start getting a savings account ready for a scenerio like this fairly soon here. Needless to say I'm pretty pumped about the whole issue. This paycheck to paycheck crap gets old rapidly, especially when one has a charge to look after. It may actually be time to stop just looking at general neighborhoods and start looking for rentals somewhat soon here. I'll keep my fingers crossed on that. They're only lifting the hours limit for a few weeks while more fires are being put out, but I believe that after a few weeks of that there may be more contracts that need some work done on them.

    That's a shame... so the stress was mostly just on the way there...?
    and relieved by the camping itself...?

    Well it was on the way there and back. So approximately 5 hours of shite were mixed in with 3/4 of a day out in the woods, half of which was sleeping. It was relieved by the camping, but then the way back was worse than the way there, so it almost negated everything. After I got back and was able to chill
    out for awhile I think it was still a net positive, though. If not for me, at least for my son, who had a couple of other kids to play with. They had a great time, when they weren't in the van. It was great to see him playing hard
    nonstop with the other kids the whole time there. Definitely something that he
    needed. Heck, I'd deal with a net negative as long as he was getting something
    like that. My old bones can take some aggravation to make sure that his childhood gets as much suckiness pulled out of it as possible. ;)

    Sounds like you just have to learn not to let your imagination run away with you... <G> Or move to someplace where the danger is less (or you don't know about the dangers [g])...

    Oh definitely. I haven't mentioned that one of my hobbies is writing fiction, which normally devolves into horror sometime by the tenth page or so. I've got a great imagination for that stuff and it does, definitely, get out of
    hand sometimes. ;) Here is real great for the imagination, being nestled cozily in between two active volcanos and on a fault like that's quite a ways overdue for a magnitude 8+ quake in a city that isn't prepared for that sort of
    tumbler what so ever. The chances are either 30 percent for it in the next 50 years or 50 percent in the next 30 years. Can't remember for sure, the dyslexia is getting me. ;) Either way, for that magnitude of a quake it's scary as hell for someone with an imagination like my own. I just hope I'm not
    in any sort of brick structure when that goes down, if I'm still here.

    It doesn't hurt to have similar threads happening in different echoes... there's at least a potential that way of engaging different people in
    the conversation(s)... eg Maurice is here and in Asian_Link, but not in Memories... and some are only in Memories... :)

    That's very true. Didn't think about it like that. It's nice to have different people jumping in from time to time. :)

    I made a habit a long time ago of saving messages to and from me (and a few others, on occasion) for any echo I was active in. It just makes finding the information a little easier. :) I also save my Reply packets, just in case I need to re-send something... that saved me a number of times when I'd written out an involved genealogy message... no re-typing needed, just an extract and insert into a new message. :)

    I used to do that quite awhile ago, but I definitely got out of the habit. The interface that I use to get on my BBS is a little bit difficult for cutting
    'n pasting, so I think if I were to do that I'd probably try coding something right into the interface that would help me deal with it a little bit easier. Then again, using a QWK method like you're talking about would probably make that quick 'n easy, too.

    -D
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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Tue May 12 13:29:02 2015
    Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 06-May-2015 08:47 <=-

    More of just a day to be a beach bum, maybe cook some hotfrogs,
    throw some recreational spheres around, all of that jazz. ;)
    That sounds like fun... did you get to, and did he enjoy it...?
    Alas, plans got pre-empted last weekend. Not sure if we'll get a
    chance to try again this weekend. I'd like to do something nice for
    him, because there was a carnival around that we were going to try to
    hit early this week, and that fell through, too. At least he didn't
    know about it; I learned from a fellow parent friend not so long ago to not really inform the little guy about what may be planned until it's actually going down, just in case something like that comes up. Saves
    on the shattered dreams for the day kind of scenerios.

    How old is he, again...? At some point, he ought to be able to learn how
    to take disappointment in stride... but that does take some maturity. :)
    It does, though, help if one wasn't setting one's heart on it... ;)

    A few fires
    got set on the contract work that I was doing that made keeping up with the beach bumming impossible. I ended up having to do a work crunch
    on Sunday that blew it out of the water. Should've tried harder to get out on Saturday, I suppose, but I was busy catching up on chores most
    of that day. Anyhoo, it will definitely be happening soon here.

    That sounds a bit of a "good news, bad news" situation... :) Good that
    the work is picking up, bad that you didn't have the time available for
    the fun things...

    Something one just can't see ahead of time... and sometimes one just
    doesn't have a lot of choice in circumstances until things get more
    under control... Hopefully you'll be able to find a better location
    for your and your son's needs and wellbeing... :)
    Well, with the hours cap on my contract just having been quadrupled,
    it looks like I'll be able to start getting a savings account ready for
    a scenerio like this fairly soon here. Needless to say I'm pretty
    pumped about the whole issue. This paycheck to paycheck crap gets old rapidly, especially when one has a charge to look after. It may
    actually be time to stop just looking at general neighborhoods and
    start looking for rentals somewhat soon here. I'll keep my fingers crossed on that. They're only lifting the hours limit for a few weeks while more fires are being put out, but I believe that after a few
    weeks of that there may be more contracts that need some work done on them.

    Sounds quite promising... paycheck to paycheck is better than no
    paycheck at all... but it certainly is nicer to have a reasonable amount
    coming in regularly... :)

    That's a shame... so the stress was mostly just on the way there...?
    and relieved by the camping itself...?
    Well it was on the way there and back. So approximately 5 hours of
    shite were mixed in with 3/4 of a day out in the woods, half of which
    was sleeping. It was relieved by the camping, but then the way back was worse than the way there, so it almost negated everything. After I got back and was able to chill out for awhile I think it was still a net positive, though. If not for me, at least for my son, who had a couple of other kids to play with. They had a great time, when they weren't
    in the van. It was great to see him playing hard nonstop with the
    other kids the whole time there. Definitely something that he needed.

    So, if I understand correctly, you went with some others in a van to go camping...? A couple of families with kids...? Was this some sort of organized program, or something that people just got together to do...?
    Sounds like a long trip... hard for kids to be cooped up that long...

    Heck, I'd deal with a net negative as long as he was getting something like that. My old bones can take some aggravation to make sure that
    his childhood gets as much suckiness pulled out of it as possible. ;)

    Yes, at least he and the other kids had a chance to run and play... and
    sleep outside for the night... ;) Too bad it wasn't a little longer in
    the camping phase, for the long trip there and back...

    Sounds like you just have to learn not to let your imagination run away
    with you... <G> Or move to someplace where the danger is less (or you
    don't know about the dangers [g])...
    Oh definitely. I haven't mentioned that one of my hobbies is
    writing fiction, which normally devolves into horror sometime by the tenth page or so. I've got a great imagination for that stuff and it does, definitely, get out of hand sometimes. ;)

    Just gotta remember that fictional isn't necessarily reality... ;)

    Here is real great for the imagination, being nestled cozily in
    between two active volcanos and on a fault like that's quite a ways overdue for a magnitude 8+ quake in a city that isn't prepared for
    that sort of tumbler what so ever. The chances are either 30 percent
    for it in the next 50 years or 50 percent in the next 30 years.
    Can't remember for sure, the dyslexia is getting me. ;)

    That still gives at least 50% chance that it WON'T happen... :) Maybe
    not even in your lifetime... ;)

    Either way, for that magnitude of a quake it's scary as hell for
    someone with an imagination like my own. I just hope I'm not in any
    sort of brick structure when that goes down, if I'm still here.

    Sometimes you just have to curb the imagination and not let it run away
    with you... <G>

    It doesn't hurt to have similar threads happening in different echoes...
    there's at least a potential that way of engaging different people in
    the conversation(s)... eg Maurice is here and in Asian_Link, but not in
    Memories... and some are only in Memories... :)
    That's very true. Didn't think about it like that. It's nice to
    have different people jumping in from time to time. :)

    Quite.. :)

    I made a habit a long time ago of saving messages to and from me (and a
    few others, on occasion) for any echo I was active in. It just makes
    finding the information a little easier. :) I also save my Reply
    packets, just in case I need to re-send something... that saved me a
    number of times when I'd written out an involved genealogy message...
    no re-typing needed, just an extract and insert into a new message. :)
    I used to do that quite awhile ago, but I definitely got out of the habit. The interface that I use to get on my BBS is a little bit difficult for cutting 'n pasting, so I think if I were to do that I'd probably try coding something right into the interface that would help
    me deal with it a little bit easier. Then again, using a QWK method
    like you're talking about would probably make that quick 'n easy, too.

    Offline readers are quite the godsend at times, to be sure... :)
    Especially since I'm in DOS, not exactly what you'd call a multi-tasking environment... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... Actually, cats are quite good at domesticating humans.

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  • From Damon A. Getsman@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Wed May 13 11:25:02 2015
    Re: Re: camping was: bbsing
    By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Tue May 12 2015 13:21:10

    How old is he, again...? At some point, he ought to be able to learn how to take disappointment in stride... but that does take some maturity. :) It does, though, help if one wasn't setting one's heart on it... ;)

    He's 8, going to be turning 9 on the first here. I'm working with him on the
    disappointment bit, but I still try to make sure that I don't set him up for it
    by telling him about plans that have any sort of a decent chance of being pre-empted. :) He's really good about it, for the most part, but I like to save him the added disappointment being as we've been in a situation where he gets so few things above and beyond the average everyday norm for so long now.

    That sounds a bit of a "good news, bad news" situation... :) Good that the work is picking up, bad that you didn't have the time available for the fun things...

    Well, right now I think that the economic stability kind of takes the priority in most areas. I'm going to try to make up for him missing that last little outing soon here. The economic situation is starting to look a little bit better. Might even be able to have next month's rent paid by the end of next week. If that happens there's some definite forward motion [finally] taking place.

    Sounds quite promising... paycheck to paycheck is better than no
    paycheck at all... but it certainly is nicer to have a reasonable amount coming in regularly... :)

    It's going up. Slowly but surely. For what it's worth the issue right now isn't _my_ productivity level, either. It's the fact that the project manager has a limited amount of time. I'm usually sitting here wanting to put in more hours every day, but I'm waiting on his schedule to free up a bit so that I can
    get more bits carved off that I can chew easier. That shouldn't be so much of a problem in the future, but with the familiarity I have with the stack that their site is deployed with I really need smaller chunks carved off for me... Especially when the people reporting the problems don't even know enough about the situation to give me enough information to diagnose... Shouldn't have to worry about anything like that with a little more experience, at least. Totally still a virgin on this 'magento' suite, though. :)

    So, if I understand correctly, you went with some others in a van to go camping...? A couple of families with kids...? Was this some sort of organized program, or something that people just got together to do...? Sounds like a long trip... hard for kids to be cooped up that long...

    It was a long trip, definitely. It was myself, my roomie, his girlfriend, and her two kids (along with my son) in a mini-van. I think that I'm somewhat spoiled, because my son is so good at dealing with trips like that. He's _NEVER_ done anything like that, even when he was 4-5, even on 15+ hour drives.
    He just doesn't act that way. Different strokes for different folks, I've got to remember... Not every parent has been able to spend as much time with their
    kids as I was able to for the first 6 years with my little man, either. I've been lucky in a whole lot of areas.

    Yes, at least he and the other kids had a chance to run and play... and sleep outside for the night... ;) Too bad it wasn't a little longer in the camping phase, for the long trip there and back...

    They probably reaped a lot more benefit from the whole situation than the adults did. They had the entire 18 hours, sans sleeping time, frolicking in the woods and having a blast. It was just the van trips that were tough for them, and I think really only the one. The kids seem much more able to tune out the cries of one of their own than the cranky old farts. ;) But it was great to see my son (and the other kids) being able to have such a blast for such a long stretch of time out there. Especially after the isolation that my poor little guy has to endure (as I've whined about endlessly ;).

    Just gotta remember that fictional isn't necessarily reality... ;)

    butbutbut it seems so REAL in my horribly visual imagination. ;)

    That still gives at least 50% chance that it WON'T happen... :) Maybe not even in your lifetime... ;)

    Well I've always been one of those people with a 'can-do' attitude. Even when it comes to the Earth 'can-do'ing an earthquake to try to chuck me off into space. ;)

    Sometimes you just have to curb the imagination and not let it run away with you... <G>

    That reminds me I haven't yet meditated today. ;) I'm working on it, every little slice at a time. I find that it's definitely showing benefits, too. Like those nightly revisitation and haunting hours that I've mentioned before. When I haven't had way too much coffee or done anything else that spikes my anxiety uncontrolably, I find I'm having a much easier time banishing such thoughts. It just takes me a few minutes to concentrate on releasing those circular chains of thought, a few minutes to concentrate on something happy like my son playing in the bathtub and cackling when he was 3, and then I'm good to go. Sometimes it's a little tougher than that, but not so often. Either way, it's a lifesaver when I'm trying to go to sleep. I was out of sorts on the camping trip, but I bet in areas where I'm having illogical phobias or paranoia like in the earthquake/vulcanism scenerio it'd probably help quite a bit, as well. As I seem to recall I was way hopped up on coffee because I hadn't had nearly enough sleep the night before...

    Offline readers are quite the godsend at times, to be sure... :) Especially since I'm in DOS, not exactly what you'd call a multi-tasking environment... ;)

    Wow. Are you using DOS because of older hardware? Just curious... There are a few drop-in replacements for DOS (like TSX-11) that'll give you a DOS compatible environment that can support some multitasking, I believe. I mean not that there's anything wrong with working linear; it's probably a lot better
    for productivity and focus. :)
    I just realized I've still got some old QWK packets sitting here from other BBSes that I was going to read before I had to reinstall my operating system for the umpteenth time here, too. I'll have to break out metamail pretty quick
    here, probably. Hell, it might be easier to use that even for my own BBS; I've
    found an issue lately where if I go take too long of a break from composing a message it logs me out for some reason, and I lose whatever I've already written. Not sure what setting I toggled to cause that evil, but I'm not finding it to set it back easily...
    Best wishes!

    -D
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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Tue May 19 19:33:02 2015
    Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 13-May-2015 11:04 <=-

    How old is he, again...? At some point, he ought to be able to learn how
    to take disappointment in stride... but that does take some maturity. :)
    It does, though, help if one wasn't setting one's heart on it... ;)
    He's 8, going to be turning 9 on the first here.

    That's still pretty young... although, by that age, I was oldest of 5
    kids, and learning that other things often had priority over what I
    might have liked... ;)

    I'm working with
    him on the disappointment bit, but I still try to make sure that I
    don't set him up for it by telling him about plans that have any sort
    of a decent chance of being pre-empted. :) He's really good about it, for the most part, but I like to save him the added disappointment
    being as we've been in a situation where he gets so few things above
    and beyond the average everyday norm for so long now.

    Makes sense... and if he's not set up to expect something, he won't miss
    it if it doesn't happen after all... probably wouldn't hurt for him to
    know, more in the abstract, that you are trying to figure out ways to do
    some special things, though...

    Well, right now I think that the economic stability kind of takes
    the priority in most areas. I'm going to try to make up for him
    missing that last little outing soon here. The economic situation is starting to look a little bit better. Might even be able to have next month's rent paid by the end of next week. If that happens there's
    some definite forward motion [finally] taking place.

    That does sound like things are stabilizing a bit more... :)

    Sounds quite promising... paycheck to paycheck is better than no
    paycheck at all... but it certainly is nicer to have a reasonable
    amount coming in regularly... :)
    It's going up. Slowly but surely. For what it's worth the issue
    right now isn't _my_ productivity level, either. It's the fact that
    the project manager has a limited amount of time. I'm usually sitting here wanting to put in more hours every day, but I'm waiting on his schedule to free up a bit so that I can get more bits carved off that I can chew easier. That shouldn't be so much of a problem in the future, but with the familiarity I have with the stack that their site is deployed with I really need smaller chunks carved off for me...

    Yeah, as you get more familiar with the whole project, you'll be able to
    handle bigger chunks at a time...

    Especially when the people reporting the problems don't even know
    enough about the situation to give me enough information to diagnose...

    Par for the course, though... :)

    Shouldn't have to worry about anything like that with a little more experience, at least. Totally still a virgin on this 'magento' suite, though. :)

    You'll get there... :)

    So, if I understand correctly, you went with some others in a van to go
    camping...? A couple of families with kids...? Was this some sort of
    organized program, or something that people just got together to do...?
    Sounds like a long trip... hard for kids to be cooped up that long...
    It was a long trip, definitely. It was myself, my roomie, his girlfriend, and her two kids (along with my son) in a mini-van. I
    think that I'm somewhat spoiled, because my son is so good at dealing with trips like that. He's _NEVER_ done anything like that, even when
    he was 4-5, even on 15+ hour drives. He just doesn't act that way.

    And some kids just travel better than others... I remember taking my
    son on long trips, just him and me, when he was only about 6... I
    remember joking about how I must be out of my mind, to even consider
    that sort of trip, but he was just fine... Until he actually started
    driving his own vehicles, he'd be asleep within 10 minutes, and probably
    sleep the entire trip, more or less... ;)

    Different strokes for different folks, I've got to remember... Not
    every parent has been able to spend as much time with their kids as I
    was able to for the first 6 years with my little man, either. I've
    been lucky in a whole lot of areas.

    Good thing to think about and remember... :) Another way of keeping perspective... :)

    Yes, at least he and the other kids had a chance to run and play... and
    sleep outside for the night... ;) Too bad it wasn't a little longer in
    the camping phase, for the long trip there and back...
    They probably reaped a lot more benefit from the whole situation
    than the adults did. They had the entire 18 hours, sans sleeping time, frolicking in the woods and having a blast. It was just the van trips that were tough for them, and I think really only the one. The kids
    seem much more able to tune out the cries of one of their own than the cranky old farts. ;)

    How old was the kid that was having the meltdown(s)...? Some kids just
    don't travel well, either... ;(

    But it was great to see my son (and the other
    kids) being able to have such a blast for such a long stretch of time
    out there. Especially after the isolation that my poor little guy has
    to endure (as I've whined about endlessly ;).

    I'm glad that it was generally a good trip... with real benefits... :)

    That still gives at least 50% chance that it WON'T happen... :)
    Maybe not even in your lifetime... ;)
    Well I've always been one of those people with a 'can-do' attitude.
    Even when it comes to the Earth 'can-do'ing an earthquake to try to
    chuck me off into space. ;)

    One does need to draw the line somewhere... ;)

    That reminds me I haven't yet meditated today. ;) I'm working on
    it, every little slice at a time. I find that it's definitely showing benefits, too. Like those nightly revisitation and haunting hours that I've mentioned before. When I haven't had way too much coffee or done anything else that spikes my anxiety uncontrolably, I find I'm having a much easier time banishing such thoughts. It just takes me a few
    minutes to concentrate on releasing those circular chains of thought, a few minutes to concentrate on something happy like my son playing in
    the bathtub and cackling when he was 3, and then I'm good to go. Sometimes it's a little tougher than that, but not so often. Either
    way, it's a lifesaver when I'm trying to go to sleep. I was out of
    sorts on the camping trip, but I bet in areas where I'm having
    illogical phobias or paranoia like in the earthquake/vulcanism scenerio it'd probably help quite a bit, as well. As I seem to recall I was way hopped up on coffee because I hadn't had nearly enough sleep the night before...

    Yup... sounds quite reasonable... Keeping the illogical (mostly)
    phobias at bay is a good thing, and I can see where the meditation, or
    at least some diverting concentrations could help with that... and
    minimizing the coffee jitters couldn't hurt, either... ;)

    Offline readers are quite the godsend at times, to be sure... :)
    Especially since I'm in DOS, not exactly what you'd call a
    multi-tasking environment... ;)

    Wow. Are you using DOS because of older hardware? Just curious...

    Partly, and mostly by choice. I don't get along well with mice and
    other tracking devices, and I am quite content with command line... This computer has some extra commands, some from *nix, and some from small
    utilities my resident wizard has written... And I have some good
    software for the things I do... :)

    There are a few drop-in replacements for DOS (like TSX-11) that'll give you a DOS compatible environment that can support some multitasking, I believe. I mean not that there's anything wrong with working linear; it's probably a lot better for productivity and focus. :)

    That, too... :)

    I just realized I've still got some old QWK packets sitting here
    from other BBSes that I was going to read before I had to reinstall my operating system for the umpteenth time here, too. I'll have to break out metamail pretty quick here, probably. Hell, it might be easier to use that even for my own BBS; I've found an issue lately where if I go take too long of a break from composing a message it logs me out for
    some reason, and I lose whatever I've already written. Not sure what setting I toggled to cause that evil, but I'm not finding it to set it back easily... Best wishes!

    At the very least, I suppose you'll just have to be sufficiently
    efficient to finish composing the message in the one sitting...
    apparently the bbs is seeing too long of a period of inactivity...
    that's probably the setting, wherever it might be hiding... <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From Damon A. Getsman@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Sun May 31 06:15:02 2015
    Re: Re: camping was: bbsing
    By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Tue May 19 2015 19:25:12

    That's still pretty young... although, by that age, I was oldest of 5 kids, and learning that other things often had priority over what I
    might have liked... ;)

    Yeah I had a pretty atypical situation growing up around those ages, so I don't really know what I can compare to and not. I've been explaining to him how finances are working, though (as well as the fact that they're currently getting better-- albeit slowly from being in the hole over 6 months). He gets it, it's just the shinies at that age are so enrapturing... ;) He's gonna get
    something nice really quick here, though; his 9th birthday is tomorrow. ;)

    Makes sense... and if he's not set up to expect something, he won't miss it if it doesn't happen after all... probably wouldn't hurt for him to know, more in the abstract, that you are trying to figure out ways to do some special things, though...

    Yeah. It was a great piece of wisdom that a fellow parent helped me with. He's had some great insights in some areas. Hope I've been able to return the favor a little bit in some other areas. Either way I try not to bring him up just to squash him down if I can help it. Other times he has to learn to disappointment, yes, but I think that he gets enough of those situations in everyday life so that I don't need to be adding to them.

    That does sound like things are stabilizing a bit more... :)

    They're doing unbelievably well at the moment. I'm still only getting about 50% of the work that I'd like to have carved off given to me in slabs I can take right now, but it's getting better. Much like you alluded to later on in this message, I'm also that much more able to handle bigger projects on this suite as I become more familiar with it. Hell, we paid rent EARLY this month, though. That's sign enough of improvement for me. We're well on track to being able to do it even earlier next month now, too. Things are definitely stabilizing, and we're settling into a pattern of productivity that I'm hoping cements pretty soon here.

    Yeah, as you get more familiar with the whole project, you'll be able to handle bigger chunks at a time...

    It's happening. ;) Slowly, but I'm getting there. That's what I get for having no choice but to take almost a decade off from this IT junk. ;)

    And some kids just travel better than others... I remember taking my
    son on long trips, just him and me, when he was only about 6... I
    remember joking about how I must be out of my mind, to even consider
    that sort of trip, but he was just fine... Until he actually started driving his own vehicles, he'd be asleep within 10 minutes, and probably sleep the entire trip, more or less... ;)

    Yeah. I'm lucky to have my jewel shining in the back of the vehicle while the others are being discoballs illuminated by those laser pointers that cause real retinal damage. ;) Well, you get the point, though the better allusion probably would've been to something auditory. Heh.
    It's amazing how well my son has always been with those situations. I suppose being on the road for so long when he was still 2-2.5 years old really helped prep him for it a bit, though. Not to mention the wilderness camping in
    the mean time (though there's no way in hell I'd go back and repeat that stuff if I had any choice in the matter). He's always just been great about it; only
    recently has he started getting more imperative about things when he's road tripping, and that's out of sheer electronics addiction and subsequent withdrawal when we're on a trip where I haven't let him bring his tablet or it's long enough so that battery runs out on him at some point.
    I've seen bits of how some kids are affected by being spoiled on matters like
    these, though. That... well that just sucks when it happens. Inconsistent parenting really makes life rough for everybody around those kids when they don't get what they want.

    I was able to for the first 6 years with my little man, either.
    I've been lucky in a whole lot of areas.
    Good thing to think about and remember... :) Another way of keeping perspective... :)

    That's one of the few things that I usually am able to keep in perspective really well. Just having a situation with him and I, and not having to work (being able to be a fulltime parent) that whole time has given him and I a relationship that I think I've only seen the same shade of in others a very small handful of times. I count that blessing often.

    How old was the kid that was having the meltdown(s)...? Some kids just don't travel well, either... ;(

    He was 5. He had an older brother with, at early 7, who was doing pretty well with it. It was actually kind of funny, because most of the time they're in the exact opposite roles. This time around, though... Whoa.

    I'm glad that it was generally a good trip... with real benefits... :)

    Oh it definitely had one. Now we're coming up on the last planned trip of the season (at least for this initial stretch) where we're going to go down to Cali and hang out in the giant redwood and sequoia forests. At this stage I'm honestly pretty close to wanting to just sit here and cement in the routine along with the income pulling that needs to get done, but my friend has wanted to take me to this area (what he calls A+ wilderness, as opposed to the B+ wilderness [which still blows my frigging mind] around here). I've got to say,
    I know it's going to blow my mind being around plant life like that, but I'm pretty leary after that one trip... Not to mention the fact that the one after
    that I caught some bronchitis on.
    Good point on the bronchitis, though: my immune system has gotten a whole lot
    better over the last few months, apparently. I was able to kick it off myself,
    and within a really short period of time, fever and all. I was never able to do that without a doctor before, so it was a huge, and quite welcome, surprise.
    If I get sick or something horrible happens on this next trip, though (though my son will be the only kid on the trip), I swear I'm not camping again for at least a year, despite how much I normally like it. The last couple of trips have perhaps overloaded me a little bit on that little facet that I normally so
    enjoy.

    Even when it comes to the Earth 'can-do'ing an earthquake to try to
    chuck me off into space. ;)
    One does need to draw the line somewhere... ;)

    Well in such case I tend to rely on where the Earth has drawn its lines... Far too many of which are drawn very close (and just offshore from) this geographical location. ;) (j/k, I'm getting better about it--slowly)

    Yup... sounds quite reasonable... Keeping the illogical (mostly)
    phobias at bay is a good thing, and I can see where the meditation, or
    at least some diverting concentrations could help with that... and minimizing the coffee jitters couldn't hurt, either... ;)

    I've found a massive increase in my ability to deal with free floating anxieties like that, especially since I've gotten up to the range of being able
    to meditate for 12-14 minutes at a setting. It's ever creeping up, too. The last time there wasn't that bad (not the tantrum trip, the other one since then). I had a few short anxiety spells, but by and large I was able to just divert my attention elsewhere thanks to the jedi training and it was all good. ;) The fever was a little harder to get over, though. Well, that, and the fact that I wake up at the buttcrack of dawn whilst everybody else there likes to sleep in until at least 9-11. Ruined a pack of playing cards out there last
    time after I got the fire stoked back up from the coals because there was too much condensation on every surface to be able to play it somewhere dry!

    Partly, and mostly by choice. I don't get along well with mice and
    other tracking devices, and I am quite content with command line... This computer has some extra commands, some from *nix, and some from small utilities my resident wizard has written... And I have some good
    software for the things I do... :)

    Gotcha. Sounds like you've probably got a good setup. :) I used to have a heavily customized DOS/4-DOS environment that I used and it was perfectly sufficient. Much better for avoiding the distraction of being able to have 2 dozen web browsing tabs all screaming for attention when there's correspondence
    that needs to be returned. *grin*

    At the very least, I suppose you'll just have to be sufficiently
    efficient to finish composing the message in the one sitting...
    apparently the bbs is seeing too long of a period of inactivity...
    that's probably the setting, wherever it might be hiding... <G>

    Heh. I'm working at it. ;) I still have yet to track down that damn setting. Something that the shell I'm working on changes goes through and makes it so all of the accounts that normally aren't allowed to idle out start idling out all over the place. Yet another bug to have fun with...
    I'm gonna see if I can't catch up on Fido today. No promises, though. I've got coding and some other stuff that it needs to be interspersed with and I'm pretty sure I've got half a dozen, easily, of unread correspondence sitting in the different echoes for me right now. :)
    More later; best wishes!

    -D
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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Tue Jun 2 13:05:02 2015
    Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 31-May-2015 05:54 <=-

    Yeah I had a pretty atypical situation growing up around those ages,
    so I don't really know what I can compare to and not. I've been

    There's always some variation in what plays out... and how... ;)

    explaining to him how finances are working, though (as well as the fact that they're currently getting better-- albeit slowly from being in the hole over 6 months). He gets it, it's just the shinies at that age are so enrapturing... ;) He's gonna get something nice really quick here, though; his 9th birthday is tomorrow. ;)

    Shinies etc can be quite distracting at any age... ;) And birthdays
    (and other special occasions) can be a good time to scratch the itch, as
    long as one doesn't go overboard... :) Happy Birthday to the kid.. :)

    They're doing unbelievably well at the moment. I'm still only
    getting about 50% of the work that I'd like to have carved off given to me in slabs I can take right now, but it's getting better. Much like
    you alluded to later on in this message, I'm also that much more able
    to handle bigger projects on this suite as I become more familiar with it. Hell, we paid rent EARLY this month, though. That's sign enough
    of improvement for me. We're well on track to being able to do it even earlier next month now, too. Things are definitely stabilizing, and we're settling into a pattern of productivity that I'm hoping cements pretty soon here.

    That all sounds simply GREAT... :) Work that you can enjoy, and a
    steady cashflow... :)

    Yeah, as you get more familiar with the whole project, you'll be able
    to handle bigger chunks at a time...
    It's happening. ;) Slowly, but I'm getting there. That's what I
    get for having no choice but to take almost a decade off from this IT junk. ;)

    As with any technical field, there was bound to be some having to catch
    up with new developments... but with the basics in place, you shouldn't
    be having too much trouble fitting the new stuff in... :)

    Heh. It's amazing how well my son has always been with
    those situations. I suppose being on the road for so long when he was still 2-2.5 years old really helped prep him for it a bit, though. Not to mention the wilderness camping in the mean time (though there's no
    way in hell I'd go back and repeat that stuff if I had any choice in
    the matter).

    Some things you do because you have to... some because you enjoy them...
    and it's nice when it's some of both... ;) I'm sure though that the
    no other alternative sorts of things can get old real fast, as the sense
    of adventure wears off... ;)

    He's always just been great about it; only recently has
    he started getting more imperative about things when he's road
    tripping, and that's out of sheer electronics addiction and subsequent withdrawal when we're on a trip where I haven't let him bring his
    tablet or it's long enough so that battery runs out on him at some
    point. I've seen bits of how some kids are affected by being spoiled
    on matters like these, though. That... well that just sucks when it happens. Inconsistent parenting really makes life rough for everybody around those kids when they don't get what they want.

    A good lesson in why consistency is so important... One doesn't have to
    be a martinet and deny the kid everything, but it still is important to
    have the boundaries and keep to them pretty much, so the kid is secure
    in knowing where they are... Saves a lot of trouble in the long run...
    The kids that have learned that a tantrum will get them what they (think
    they) want generally aren't actually happy with the results, either...
    not that you could get them to admit it, though...

    How old was the kid that was having the meltdown(s)...? Some kids just
    don't travel well, either... ;(
    He was 5. He had an older brother with, at early 7, who was doing
    pretty well with it. It was actually kind of funny, because most of
    the time they're in the exact opposite roles. This time around, though... Whoa.

    Maybe it was just not a very good day for him... ;)

    Now we're coming up on the last planned
    trip of the season (at least for this initial stretch) where we're
    going to go down to Cali and hang out in the giant redwood and sequoia forests. At this stage I'm honestly pretty close to wanting to just
    sit here and cement in the routine along with the income pulling that needs to get done, but my friend has wanted to take me to this area
    (what he calls A+ wilderness, as opposed to the B+ wilderness [which still blows my frigging mind] around here). I've got to say, I know
    it's going to blow my mind being around plant life like that,

    Sequoias and redwoods are pretty awesome... :) I can't blame him for
    wanting to share those with you... :)

    but I'm pretty leary after that one trip... Not to mention the fact
    that the one after that I caught some bronchitis on.
    Good point on the bronchitis, though: my immune system has gotten a
    whole lot better over the last few months, apparently. I was able to kick it off myself, and within a really short period of time, fever and all. I was never able to do that without a doctor before, so it was a huge, and quite welcome, surprise.

    I can certainly relate on the bronchitis issue... I get that
    periodically... Nice that your body could just fight it off on its own
    this time..... ;)

    If I get sick or something horrible
    happens on this next trip, though (though my son will be the only kid
    on the trip), I swear I'm not camping again for at least a year,
    despite how much I normally like it. The last couple of trips have perhaps overloaded me a little bit on that little facet that I
    normally so enjoy.

    Pluses and minuses to camping... and too much at a time can definitely
    be a put-off for more... ;) Plus you have other things on your plate
    now that have more than minor benefit to them... ;) How long is this
    camping trip to be...?

    I've found a massive increase in my ability to deal with free
    floating anxieties like that, especially since I've gotten up to the range of being able to meditate for 12-14 minutes at a setting. It's ever creeping up, too. The last time there wasn't that bad (not the tantrum trip, the other one since then). I had a few short anxiety spells, but by and large I was able to just divert my attention
    elsewhere thanks to the jedi training and it was all good. ;)

    That sounds like good progress... :)

    The fever was a little harder to get over, though. Well, that, and
    the fact that I wake up at the buttcrack of dawn whilst everybody else there likes to sleep in until at least 9-11. Ruined a pack of playing cards out there last time after I got the fire stoked back up from the coals because there was too much condensation on every surface to be
    able to play it somewhere dry!

    The minor hassles of life... ;) Guess you need to pack a waterproof
    surface to roll out onto the picnic table to protect the cards... ;)

    Partly, and mostly by choice. I don't get along well with mice and
    other tracking devices, and I am quite content with command line... This
    computer has some extra commands, some from *nix, and some from small
    utilities my resident wizard has written... And I have some good
    software for the things I do... :)
    Gotcha. Sounds like you've probably got a good setup. :) I used
    to have a heavily customized DOS/4-DOS environment that I used and it
    was perfectly sufficient. Much better for avoiding the distraction of being able to have 2 dozen web browsing tabs all screaming for
    attention when there's correspondence that needs to be returned.
    *grin*

    It works for me. :) My web browsing (little enough as it is) is kept
    separate from my other computer pursuits.. And when I do, I can avoid
    ads and popups etc simply because I'm using a text browser usually.. ;)

    At the very least, I suppose you'll just have to be sufficiently
    efficient to finish composing the message in the one sitting...
    apparently the bbs is seeing too long of a period of inactivity...
    that's probably the setting, wherever it might be hiding... <G>
    Heh. I'm working at it. ;) I still have yet to track down that
    damn setting. Something that the shell I'm working on changes goes through and makes it so all of the accounts that normally aren't
    allowed to idle out start idling out all over the place. Yet another
    bug to have fun with...

    Yeah... aren't bugs fun... <G> Gotta find it and smush it... ;)
    Another reason for only doing one thing at a time, though... things in
    the background can't time out if they aren't active in the first
    place... ;)

    I'm gonna see if I can't catch up on Fido
    today. No promises, though. I've got coding and some other stuff that it needs to be interspersed with and I'm pretty sure I've got half a dozen, easily, of unread correspondence sitting in the different echoes for me right now. :) More later; best wishes!

    Nice effort... I note that there are two more from you here in DADS...
    but I'm off to do stuff myself now... those will have to wait... :)
    We'll get caught up soon enough... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Damon A. Getsman@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Fri Jun 12 22:34:02 2015
    Re: Re: camping was: bbsing
    By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Tue Jun 02 2015 12:57:04

    Shinies etc can be quite distracting at any age... ;) And birthdays
    (and other special occasions) can be a good time to scratch the itch, as long as one doesn't go overboard... :) Happy Birthday to the kid.. :)

    Oh for sure. I'm finding that I'm getting better at dealing with these things as I get older, but I also note (and I'm in a perfect situation for noting this right now, as I wait for someone much more prone to distractions to
    come and sit down so that we can do some paired coding together) that it certainly does still seem to be a big issue for a lot of other people of all ages.
    I've passed your well wishes on to my son. He appreciates it, belated though
    as it may be. It's good for him to get a little reminder of some of the good things that have been going on recently right now... Just last night he ended up coming down with either some nasty food poisoning or else some really wicked
    short illness. He ended up throwing up at least three times last night (projectile, and with a whole lot of stomach contents to get rid of-- poor guy), and has been suffering a pretty wicked sore throat and [I believe, though
    currently unverified by thermometer] a bit of a fever today. Poor kid just hasn't been getting much of a break lately. At least it happened once school got out for him (yesterday was his last day). I mean, I'm pretty sure that he'd see things in the opposite light, but after all of the time that he missed
    with crap as of the last school year I'm glad that there wasn't any more added to that...

    That all sounds simply GREAT... :) Work that you can enjoy, and a
    steady cashflow... :)

    It's been really nice. Things have come along, such as my cat, that really rocked the boat and have made it a bit difficult to hit the target number of hours lately, but that being said, I'm finding this work experience much better
    than anything that I've had since at least 2001. It's soo nice to be able to do something that I don't loathe, something where I'm learning more in areas that I actually care about, and something where I'm pairing with my roommate which makes things a little bit more fun than they would probably be otherwise.

    As with any technical field, there was bound to be some having to catch
    up with new developments... but with the basics in place, you shouldn't
    be having too much trouble fitting the new stuff in... :)

    Yeah. Well with the devops nature of this particular segment of work there's
    always going to be a bit of internal things that I have to learn due to a myriad of different suites and packages being deployed to whatever particular situation. So there's always a bit of a curve which, despite being annoying at
    times, is kind of good from the standpoint that keeping a learning curve is good for the mind/brain in general, IMO.

    those situations. I suppose being on the road for so long when he
    was still 2-2.5 years old really helped prep him for it a bit,
    Some things you do because you have to... some because you enjoy them... and it's nice when it's some of both... ;) I'm sure though that the
    no other alternative sorts of things can get old real fast, as the sense of adventure wears off... ;)

    Definitely. We've had some interesting times, and no doubt it has changed the recreational aspect of some of the activities that we've had... I don't know, I'm kind of going through a phase right now where, despite our limitations and the lack of kids in the area, I'm trying to figure out what kind of a routine we're going to have for things this summer. I'll write more about it later, I'm actually trying to get this out before I do some work in a little bit here, but I could probably use some input on some of the different things that I'm considering. The limitations of the situation that I'm in is going to make it interesting, to say the least, and I'm definitely at the phase
    where I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel a bit. But yeah, more on that later.

    A good lesson in why consistency is so important... One doesn't have to
    be a martinet and deny the kid everything, but it still is important to have the boundaries and keep to them pretty much, so the kid is secure
    in knowing where they are... Saves a lot of trouble in the long run... The kids that have learned that a tantrum will get them what they (think they) want generally aren't actually happy with the results, either...
    not that you could get them to admit it, though...

    Oh I know how important it is. That being said, I definitely need to work on
    it in my parenting methods. Especially when I've been getting tips from other people who lack in consistency a lot that are telling me that I need to be more
    consistent with things. Heh. It's been really tough in the setting that we're
    in right now, but the summer drive is on now. Hopefully things can be set up by the end of the summer well enough so that we'll be in a setting where we have a new primary location with enough space for all of us; I think more than anything else it's the fatigue at the whole situational aspect that's kept me from being a little better than I would like with the consistency of it all.
    But yeah, I can always tell when my consistency hasn't been what it should. That's when the 'big stick' has to come out. Then it's used, and then things are better for a time. He's really good at responding very quickly to it, and doesn't push things too far, at least at the age that he's at right now, when such is the case. When I'm doing better with it he's really great about doing the things that he's supposed to right away and not pushing the limits.

    Sequoias and redwoods are pretty awesome... :) I can't blame him for wanting to share those with you... :)

    It was great. ;) Unfortunately I was working without very much battery life
    left in my phone most of the time. So, while I managed to get some decent photos from parts of the trip, when we went out on the absolutely breathtaking hike from the top of one of the ridges down to the bottom of the gorge where the ocean was meeting the forest, the phone lied to me and told me that it was taking and saving the pictures, while the whole time it was losing the very best ones. :( I think that I should be able to get some of those pictures back from some other members of our trip, though.

    I can certainly relate on the bronchitis issue... I get that periodically... Nice that your body could just fight it off on its own this time..... ;)

    Yeah my health has been doing a lot better than it has for a very long time, actually... at least since I've gotten over the various plagues that had a pigpile on me after first getting here. I can tell that I've been taking care of myself really well, fitness-wise, also, because I don't think that I've ever
    had a resting heart rate that is often below 64, and mine pretty much sits and hovers right around 60 now. It's nice to see the fruits of my hard work, even if they're in statistics that really don't mean much beyond the medical journals. ;)

    Pluses and minuses to camping... and too much at a time can definitely
    be a put-off for more... ;) Plus you have other things on your plate
    now that have more than minor benefit to them... ;) How long is this camping trip to be...?

    Well the last one was a Friday night to a Monday. My son got to miss a full day of school out of the last week of school that he had, so he was pretty pumped about that. As for right now there are no more planned for the immediate future, which is good. Parts of the voyages that we had been going on were starting to be a little bit more like tasks than like vacation. Plus think what I really need more of right now is some time to cement the good habits and routines in place, not escaping it and taking a monetary hit when I really need to be saving up a nest egg right now.

    The minor hassles of life... ;) Guess you need to pack a waterproof surface to roll out onto the picnic table to protect the cards... ;)

    Yeah. Lots of my camping gear disappeared during those last rough relocations when I was in North Dakota still. I'm still missing some stuff because of that; when we start getting into a ready-to-camp mode again I'll hopefully have the resources available to start restocking these supplies, though. Plus, with my normal doom-n-gloom outlook on society and the way that our government is taking things, I like having survival gear around just in case things start looking like some sort of a trip out to a nondisclosed location in the hills might be a good idea. :) Call me paranoid, but we live in a crazy friggin' world, even if we _are_ mostly isolated from large chunks of that in this country.

    It works for me. :) My web browsing (little enough as it is) is kept separate from my other computer pursuits.. And when I do, I can avoid
    ads and popups etc simply because I'm using a text browser usually.. ;)

    Yeah I've had some systems that I made do with for a long time that had solely text-browsing capabilities. It was always kind of a nice break from the
    media that pervades everything, and just being able to take time from it to read. 'Course web development has catered to that so far these days that a disturbingly high percentage of those sites won't even render into a format that can be displayed properly in a text-only browser any more. I actually just resurrected a laptop of mine that is pretty much in that status. It just doesn't really have the processing power to be handling full media and a bloated browser floating around in its RAM. Plus it's got some media issues, too, so it's a lot more reliable for just working and handling text-only sessions when that's what's desired. (Sorry if I'm rambling or jumping from topic to topic a little bit here; I've had some people relocate out here that are severely distracting me from what I was trying to do in responding to this message since I started it)

    Nice effort... I note that there are two more from you here in DADS... but I'm off to do stuff myself now... those will have to wait... :) We'll get caught up soon enough... ;)

    Yeah I've been really slammed with different things lately, so I'm trying to get to a few more messages that I know I've got piled up in different echoes, too. So no worries about it taking awhile, because things are definitely going
    to be taking awhile from my end, too. Especially when I've got the kind of distraction brewing next to me that is going on right now. God it's going to be nice once there's been enough cash saved up to pick up a place that gives me
    a little respite from the distraction when I need it. *tries to go to the happy place* Oh yeah, I didn't have a chance to meditate today, either. No doubt that's causing me to be a couple of steps behind where I could be with this all right now.
    Anyway that's it for now. I'm gonna try to get some work done now.

    -D
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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Mon Jun 15 17:21:02 2015
    Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 12-Jun-2015 22:13 <=-

    Sequoias and redwoods are pretty awesome... :) I can't blame him for
    wanting to share those with you... :)
    It was great. ;) Unfortunately I was working without very much
    battery life left in my phone most of the time. So, while I managed to get some decent photos from parts of the trip, when we went out on the absolutely breathtaking hike from the top of one of the ridges down to the bottom of the gorge where the ocean was meeting the forest, the
    phone lied to me and told me that it was taking and saving the
    pictures, while the whole time it was losing the very best ones. :( I think that I should be able to get some of those pictures back from
    some other members of our trip, though.

    Hopefully.. :) It seems, in any case, that perhaps another visit to
    the region might be called for, when things are more settled... and then
    you can make sure the phone's battery is fully charged... or bring a
    real camera... ;)

    Pluses and minuses to camping... and too much at a time can definitely
    be a put-off for more... ;) Plus you have other things on your plate
    now that have more than minor benefit to them... ;) How long is this
    camping trip to be...?
    Well the last one was a Friday night to a Monday. My son got to
    miss a full day of school out of the last week of school that he had,
    so he was pretty pumped about that.

    He's at the right age for that... ;)

    As for right now there are no more planned for the immediate future, which is good. Parts of the voyages that we had been going on were starting to be a little bit more like tasks than like vacation.

    Almost more trouble than they were worth... ;)

    Plus I think what I really need more of right now is some time to cement the good habits and routines in place, not escaping it and taking a monetary hit when I really need to be saving up a nest egg right now.

    Sounds wise to me. :) Find things closer to home and less expensive
    for now, when you do need to take a break from the routine... :) But
    putting most of the effort into establishing the routines and good
    habits... :)

    The minor hassles of life... ;) Guess you need to pack a waterproof
    surface to roll out onto the picnic table to protect the cards... ;)
    Yeah. Lots of my camping gear disappeared during those last rough relocations when I was in North Dakota still. I'm still missing some stuff because of that; when we start getting into a ready-to-camp mode again I'll hopefully have the resources available to start restocking these supplies, though.

    Some things you might be able to pick up along the way, should you see
    them available at a good deal... :)

    Plus, with my normal doom-n-gloom outlook on society and the way that
    our government is taking things, I like having survival gear around
    just in case things start looking like some sort of a trip out to a nondisclosed location in the hills might be a good idea. :) Call me paranoid, but we live in a crazy friggin' world, even if we _are_
    mostly isolated from large chunks of that in this country.

    Yeah, you're probably paranoid.. ;) I wouldn't be surprised if your upbringing hadn't made that so ingrained for you, though... I wouldn't
    say flat out that it couldn't happen... there's always the possibility,
    I just tend to be more optimistic that things will work themselves out..
    and I know Who really is in control of the mess, and will work things as
    they should ultimately be... :)

    Nice effort... I note that there are two more from you here in DADS... but I'm off to do stuff myself now... those will have to wait... :)
    We'll get caught up soon enough... ;)

    Yeah I've been really slammed with different things lately, so I'm
    trying to get to a few more messages that I know I've got piled up in different echoes, too. So no worries about it taking awhile, because things are definitely going to be taking awhile from my end, too. Especially when I've got the kind of distraction brewing next to me
    that is going on right now.

    I suspect I don't want to know what sort of distraction... <G>

    God it's going to be nice once there's been enough cash saved up to
    pick up a place that gives me a little respite from the distraction
    when I need it. *tries to go to the happy place* Oh yeah, I didn't
    have a chance to meditate today, either. No doubt that's causing me
    to be a couple of steps behind where I could be with this all right now. Anyway that's it for now. I'm gonna try to get some work done now.

    Hopefully you succeeded... :) More later... from whichever echos... ;)

    ttyl neb


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  • From Damon A. Getsman@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Mon Jun 22 08:53:02 2015
    Re: Re: camping was: bbsing
    By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Mon Jun 15 2015 17:13:44

    Hopefully.. :) It seems, in any case, that perhaps another visit to
    the region might be called for, when things are more settled... and then you can make sure the phone's battery is fully charged... or bring a
    real camera... ;)

    I agree. :) I miss having a 'real' camera. I mean the ones in cell phones these days are pretty good, but nothing really beats a really good camera. I actually wouldn't mind getting another film one at some point, too. I miss having 35mm for the more artsy shots.
    For now though, I've gone ahead and tried to cement in a large amount of hours at work and been workin' on the good habits that I'm trying to get cemented in place. :) Seems to be the best idea. It's broken up by struggling to find some more interesting things to do with my son... Today is the day that I play catch 'n release. Wish me luck on the white knuckles of having my son out and about in this kind of area. ;)

    Almost more trouble than they were worth... ;)

    They definitely were, for me. Though for my son, I think he got a lot more benefit because he's able to deal with those kinds of stressors more easily. So his surplus of benefit kind of pours over and makes me feel that it was a lot more worth it than if it would've just been for me.

    Sounds wise to me. :) Find things closer to home and less expensive for now, when you do need to take a break from the routine... :) But putting most of the effort into establishing the routines and good habits... :)

    Absolutely.

    Some things you might be able to pick up along the way, should you see them available at a good deal... :)

    Well I'm definitely looking for a chance to restock my camping/survival gear,
    but not necessarily right away. There's just not enough space with three people in a one bedroom apartment.

    Yeah, you're probably paranoid.. ;) I wouldn't be surprised if your upbringing hadn't made that so ingrained for you, though... I wouldn't say flat out that it couldn't happen... there's always the possibility,
    I just tend to be more optimistic that things will work themselves out.. and I know Who really is in control of the mess, and will work things as they should ultimately be... :)

    Oh I know for a fact that my upbringing made me paranoid. Then again, my time in the army confirmed a lot of conspiracy crap that'd always run through my head, so I think I get discounted by my crazy upbringing a little bit too easily sometimes. :)

    Hopefully you succeeded... :) More later... from whichever echos...
    ;)

    I can't remember if I got past the distraction next to me that day or not. do know that we made some hellacious progress on getting out a decent amount of
    hours this last week, though, and I was pushing hard as much as I could when I wasn't blocked on tickets while my roomie was sick, too. So despite the bumps,
    the trajectory is definitely upwards. I've got one paycheck in the mail and another freshly invoiced; the freshly invoiced one is going to be the best I've
    made so far, and I'm trying to make that the standard per week. This summer could be a really good time for digging myself out of the hole that we've ended
    up in for a bit.

    -D
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  • From Nancy Backus@1:2320/100 to Damon A. Getsman on Mon Jun 29 18:06:02 2015
    Quoting Damon A. Getsman to Nancy Backus on 22-Jun-2015 08:32 <=-

    Hopefully.. :) It seems, in any case, that perhaps another visit
    to the region might be called for, when things are more settled...
    and then you can make sure the phone's battery is fully charged... or
    bring a real camera... ;)
    I agree. :) I miss having a 'real' camera. I mean the ones in
    cell phones these days are pretty good, but nothing really beats a
    really good camera. I actually wouldn't mind getting another film one
    at some point, too. I miss having 35mm for the more artsy shots.

    Those are getting almost obsolete... but I'm sure that professional photographers must still be using them... :)

    For now though, I've gone ahead and tried to cement in a large
    amount of hours at work and been workin' on the good habits that I'm trying to get cemented in place. :) Seems to be the best idea.

    Sounds reasonable to me. :)

    It's broken up by struggling to find some more interesting things to
    do with my son... Today is the day that I play catch 'n release.
    Wish me luck on the white knuckles of having my son out and about in
    this kind of area. ;)

    Being a week or so later, how did you and he survive...? ;)

    Almost more trouble than they were worth... ;)
    They definitely were, for me. Though for my son, I think he got a
    lot more benefit because he's able to deal with those kinds of
    stressors more easily. So his surplus of benefit kind of pours over and makes me feel that it was a lot more worth it than if it would've just been for me.

    For him, it was just a trip and camping... for you it was also worrying
    about how things would work out, and all the peripherals... ;) Good
    that you can take his benefit, and apply it to your "benefit balance
    sheet"... ;)

    Some things you might be able to pick up along the way, should you see
    them available at a good deal... :)

    Well I'm definitely looking for a chance to restock my
    camping/survival gear, but not necessarily right away. There's just
    not enough space with three people in a one bedroom apartment.

    There is that, too... :) When you have more space on your own, you'd be
    able to store things better... :)

    Yeah, you're probably paranoid.. ;) I wouldn't be surprised if your
    upbringing hadn't made that so ingrained for you, though... I wouldn't
    say flat out that it couldn't happen... there's always the possibility,
    I just tend to be more optimistic that things will work themselves out..
    and I know Who really is in control of the mess, and will work things as
    they should ultimately be... :)
    Oh I know for a fact that my upbringing made me paranoid. Then
    again, my time in the army confirmed a lot of conspiracy crap that'd always run through my head, so I think I get discounted by my crazy upbringing a little bit too easily sometimes. :)

    Some days, I think the military is more than a little paranoid, too...
    with or without good reason... But what you bring to it probably has
    something to do with what you see there, as well...

    Hopefully you succeeded... :) More later... from whichever echos...;)
    I can't remember if I got past the distraction next to me that day
    or not. I do know that we made some hellacious progress on getting out
    a decent amount of hours this last week, though, and I was pushing hard as much as I could when I wasn't blocked on tickets while my roomie was sick, too. So despite the bumps, the trajectory is definitely upwards.

    Very good. :)

    I've got one paycheck in the mail and another freshly invoiced; the freshly invoiced one is going to be the best I've made so far, and I'm trying to make that the standard per week. This summer could be a
    really good time for digging myself out of the hole that we've ended up in for a bit.

    Sounds wonderful.. ;) I'm sure that it's a great feeling... relief,
    too... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Damon A. Getsman@1:2320/100 to Nancy Backus on Sun Jul 12 07:47:02 2015
    Re: Re: camping was: bbsing
    By: Nancy Backus to Damon A. Getsman on Mon Jun 29 2015 17:58:00

    Those are getting almost obsolete... but I'm sure that professional photographers must still be using them... :)

    I'm pretty sure the 35 mm ones are obsolete by now. It's just that I can use
    them so much better than most of the digital ones that I've played with, and my
    shots always come out looking spot on when I do things that way.

    amount of hours at work and been workin' on the good habits that
    Sounds reasonable to me. :)

    Well, there was another bit of a roadbump. Another one completely out of my control. I'm going to have to find out what I can do about this. If nothing else, I need to get good enough at researching my ways out of the rabbit holes that I find myself in (in the code) well enough so that I don't have to rely on
    other people around me. I haven't forgotten the lesson that you only give someone credit for changing once they've changed, and I'm trying to make sure that I don't get burned when at some point in the future my finances take another hit due to others. (Long story here, not really sure I should share all of the details just yet, though I may have alluded to them before).

    It's broken up by struggling to find some more interesting things
    to do with my son... Today is the day that I play catch 'n
    release. Wish me luck on the white knuckles of having my son out
    and about in this kind of area. ;)
    Being a week or so later, how did you and he survive...? ;)

    I failed. I went out and looked for a lot of places with him, and we weren't
    able to turn up a single place in all of our hours out that had enough kids. Or, like, _any_ free range kids. I'm expanding the boundaries that I'm using for looking in, but as mentioned before, that's got its own problems with the whole scenerio, too. Trying to remain ever optimistic, I am!

    For him, it was just a trip and camping... for you it was also worrying about how things would work out, and all the peripherals... ;) Good
    that you can take his benefit, and apply it to your "benefit balance sheet"... ;)

    A fine point.

    There is that, too... :) When you have more space on your own, you'd be able to store things better... :)

    *crosses fingers* I was at the point where I was somewhere between 25-33% of
    the way to being able to safely start looking at new pads, and that's all gone right now because of someone else's bank 'oopsie'. Hence the drama that I alluded to above. I know it's not that far away, and that it'll come in even faster once I'm getting my next checks _and_ repaid for the outstanding balance
    right now, but it's still frustrating as hell, if you'll pardon my lanugage.

    Some days, I think the military is more than a little paranoid, too... with or without good reason... But what you bring to it probably has something to do with what you see there, as well...

    I don't think I've seen a lot more places paranoid than the military was. Some of the arguments you'd get into with completely geo-politically illiterate
    people (but ready to die for the beliefs they were handed) were utterly mind blowing with their logic (or lack therof). Much like some of the arguments that I've heard about the dinosaur bones being buried by God/Jesus in order to test people's faith in the fact that the world is only 6000 years old... Stuff
    along those lines.
    Yet if you keep your eyes open, and you're inquisitive, you'll find other stuff to make you paranoid that's got wayyyyyy too much logic behind it. It's a great place to learn about what's happening behind the curtain of our media; it's also a great place to lose hope in humanity and end up having to do things
    that you'll never be able to live with [sanely] again. I'm glad I never had to
    do anything in the 2nd part there.

    I'm trying to make that the standard per week. This summer could
    be a really good time for digging myself out of the hole that we've
    ended up in for a bit.
    Sounds wonderful.. ;) I'm sure that it's a great feeling... relief, too... :)

    Well, wish me luck on this next week of finances. I'm scraping bottom right now again when I should be four digits in the green. At least I had enough to pay a little more against the card that I had to almost max out getting treatment for my cat. :P
    Best wishes.

    -D
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